tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150649422744296369.post5016999726476702474..comments2023-12-23T02:17:12.549-08:00Comments on Quest for Fun!: Arcane Power (D&D)Gary Rayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11897166491600280320noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150649422744296369.post-70347379789366271922009-04-25T16:03:00.000-07:002009-04-25T16:03:00.000-07:00"I'm not sure what kind of class would make for a ..."I'm not sure what kind of class would make for a Martial Controller..."<br /><br />I'm making a gladiator class for my Dark Sun campaigns. It focuses on melee controlling (since the description for controller itself says NOTHING about part of a controller's role being ranged). <br /><br />Take the Druid Predator path, eliminate all of the ranged options (including the one at-will you HAVE to take that isn't bestial), and the slight healing subtheme, and change it to battlefield control with a lot of status effects, melee bursts with limited numbers of targets, and tactical warlord-like maneuvering of allies and enemies alike.<br /><br />*shrug*<br /><br />So far, it is coming along nicely.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07754412971431626837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150649422744296369.post-35838775500952782602009-04-23T14:38:00.000-07:002009-04-23T14:38:00.000-07:00The problem I have with that solution is that I lo...The problem I have with that solution is that I love minions, both from a GM's and a player's perspective. <br /><br />Wading through hordes of 1hp minions gives an impression of power that can sometimes be more impressive than taking down the big baddie. After all, it took the whole team to take down the big baddie, but every minion that falls to your attacks is one you took out on your own.Fulminatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14332824290977548527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150649422744296369.post-48927291852914029092009-04-23T14:07:00.000-07:002009-04-23T14:07:00.000-07:00It's clearly a harder concept to envision a contro...It's clearly a harder concept to envision a controlling warrior. I like the idea of a bunch of counter minion NPCs that run into combat and do your bidding, but it's problematic in other ways.<br /><br />My answer is still "just don't use minions."Gary Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11897166491600280320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150649422744296369.post-30372917922767382122009-04-23T13:50:00.000-07:002009-04-23T13:50:00.000-07:00I'm just going to climb back into my DHG hole now,...I'm just going to climb back into my DHG hole now, thanks. Very little of what I'm reading here is comprehensible to me, although it does read a lot like the text I see when people start seriously discussing WoW. Besides, right now the household budget is being distinctly squeezed, thanks to an impending move and possibly buying a second car, so I really can't afford to get into 4e.Silas Humphreyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10639832677140104872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150649422744296369.post-37729356903454400772009-04-23T10:54:00.000-07:002009-04-23T10:54:00.000-07:00Martial Leader: Warlord
Martial Defender: Fighte...Martial Leader: Warlord<br />Martial Defender: Fighter<br />Martial Strikers: Rogue and Ranger.<br /><br />I'm not sure what WotC has in mind for the monk, but as he's been portrayed in the past I'd say he's more of a Divine Striker or Defender.<br /><br />Of course, a lot just depends on what WotC wants to do. The Warlock and the Sorcerer could have been designed as Controllers instead of Strikers if given a different set of powers, and would have still been recognizable as Warlocks and Sorcerers. Likewise, the Druid could have been portrayed as just about any of the four roles with the right power sets. Traditionally they're more of a Leader. Also, the Warlord could have been designed as a Martial Controller, although that would have left a hole in the Leader slot.Fulminatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14332824290977548527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150649422744296369.post-40940554994420710272009-04-23T10:18:00.000-07:002009-04-23T10:18:00.000-07:00http://www.enworld.org/forum/4e-fan-creations-hous...http://www.enworld.org/forum/4e-fan-creations-house-rules/253222-master-martial-controller.html<br /><br />http://www.scribd.com/doc/11508244/4e-Classes-Trapsmith-Martial-Controller-Completed<br /><br />Others have tried to come up with some Martial Controller classes...librarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910979028549627470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150649422744296369.post-27398545887515741872009-04-23T10:16:00.000-07:002009-04-23T10:16:00.000-07:00Let me be clear:
Martial LEader - Warlord
Martial ...Let me be clear:<br />Martial LEader - Warlord<br />Martial Defender - Paladin<br />Martial Primal - Ranger<br /><br />(good so far?)<br /><br />What about the (sadly lacking in 4E) Monk, wouldn't that be a Martial Controller? Or do I not have the concepts understood yet...librarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910979028549627470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150649422744296369.post-89035098657665262492009-04-23T10:15:00.000-07:002009-04-23T10:15:00.000-07:00Sure, Iron Heroes 4th Edition. Makes sense to me. ...Sure, Iron Heroes 4th Edition. Makes sense to me. <br /><br />Also, if as a DM you lay off the minions, a controller is far less useful. I've had a hard time *adding* minions in the adventures I just wrote. There really aren't enough higher level minions, I've noticed.Gary Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11897166491600280320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150649422744296369.post-69213348714986077612009-04-23T09:57:00.000-07:002009-04-23T09:57:00.000-07:00Not a bad solution from a mechanical perspective, ...Not a bad solution from a mechanical perspective, but what if I want to run a campaign where Divine, Arcane and Primal power sources don't exist? A lot of classic fantasy settings are the equivalent of having only Martial Power and the Ritual Caster feat. It would be nice to be able to do something like that while still having a Controller class available.<br /><br />Mind you, it's pretty theoretical as most people I know who play 4th would rather chew off their arm than be limited to only one Power source, but from a DMs perspective I think it would be an interesting possibilityFulminatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14332824290977548527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150649422744296369.post-42671594258728703462009-04-23T09:50:00.000-07:002009-04-23T09:50:00.000-07:00"I'm not sure what kind of class would make for a ..."I'm not sure what kind of class would make for a Martial Controller..."<br /><br />There is a hole. My solution is the character I'm currently playing, a multi-classed Warlord-Wizard.Gary Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11897166491600280320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150649422744296369.post-59861682076716133922009-04-23T09:09:00.000-07:002009-04-23T09:09:00.000-07:00I'm surprised Arcane Power is doing that much bett...I'm surprised Arcane Power is doing that much better than Martial Power. I think they're pretty much the same in terms of what you get. The new concepts are interesting, but not that interesting. Martial introduced at least one new concept itself with the pets for the Beastmaster Ranger, and had more new feats than Arcane does.<br /><br />One interesting thing I've noticed since the release of the PHBII, and that was for some reason brought home to me while looking over Arcane Power, is that there's a hole in the list of the Martial Power classes. We have four power sources: Martial, Arcane, Divine, and Primal. Arcane, Divine and Primal all have at least one class from each of the four roles of Striker, Defender, Leader and Controller; however, Martial lacks a Controller.<br /><br />I'm not sure what kind of class would make for a Martial Controller, but it's a rather noticeable lack when you start thinking about groups "themed" around a Power Source.Fulminatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14332824290977548527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150649422744296369.post-71875125229418839362009-04-23T08:05:00.000-07:002009-04-23T08:05:00.000-07:00Good advice! Thanks!Good advice! Thanks!davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02095342572848900592noreply@blogger.com